Talk:Carbine (horse)

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Tone of article

Just for those who care, I toned down the article a bit. The horse was obviously significant, but I found no evidence that he could outrace a speeding bullet or clear skyscrapers in a single bound. (grin). Basically, I chopped a lot of over-wikilinking (usually a term is wikilinked once per article at this length), tossed a lot of unneeded adjectives and other tweaks per WP:MOS, and generally tried to make it sound a bit more like an encyclopedia article and not the home page for the fan club. Montanabw^(talk) 05:39, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

re: (Can we GET OVER THIS? Horse was bred in NZ, would not be famous if it hadn't raced in AUS. Nationalism has its limits, I mean really, can't you guys just get along???) Montanabw.

I think you mean that Carbine would not have been famous in Australia, if he had not raced there. He would have been still famous in New Zealand. Most racehorses from New Zealand go to Australia, as the prizemoney is much bigger there. If there was no big prizes in Australia, they would have gone somewhere else. On your other points, it is always good to get away from the hype. Unfortunately, this is rather difficult, as people are citing references (mainly from Australia) which also use hype. Unfortunately, New Zealand newspapers are also starting to do this as well. Wallie (talk) 08:02, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Info box and flag icons

My understanding of the "Country section" in the info box refers to the country where the horse was foaled. Is this correct? In Carbine's case this should be New Zealand and not Australia and New Zealand. And can we get rid of these superfluous flag icons in accordance with the policy WP:ICONDECORATION. Cuddy Wifter (talk) 00:35, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You are correct. It does refer to the place the horse was foaled. I am inclined to agree with you about the flag icons too. The whole nationalism thing should be toned down. Wallie (talk) 07:53, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. Montanabw^(talk) 23:46, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Links to Carbine in breeding

I think we should remove these. Spearmint was a son of Carbine, and he is linked to Nearco, Nasrullah, Northern Dancer etc, whose bloodlines are in many many well known horses. The exercise in establishing lineage to Carbine is a bit pointless. Wallie (talk) 17:26, 18 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, the lead does not need these additions. 22:44, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Unclear sentence

I think this sentence should be rewritten: "Statistics and contemporary assessments indicate that he was a dominant Antipodean racehorse of the 19th century, and he still ranks with such 20th-century Thoroughbreds as such as his descendants Nearco, Northern Dancer, Secretariat, Seattle Slew, Ballymoss, Shergar, Arkle, Never Say Die, Mr. Prospector, Nasrullah, Nijinsky II (winner of the UK Triple Crown), Royal Palace, Better Loosen Up, Sir Ivor, Phar Lap, Tulloch, Kingston Town[10] and Bernborough in terms of renown among turf historians." The part "as such as his descendants..." doesn't make sense to me. VirtualDave 13:43, 29 October 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by VirtualDave (talk • contribs)